Libya as a moral war (except for libertarians)
Many people believe that war and violence are inherently immoral, and some psychologists have begun to explore the idea that celebrating heroism is an antidote to the problem of evil. In contrast, other psychologists have highlighted the dark side of moral conviction (Skitka & Mullen, 2002) and the notion of idealistic evil (Baumeister, 1997) to explain how moral motivations might actually lead to increased violence. I sometimes call this being hypermoral, not because I have any great further insight, but simply because I think it has a better chance of catching on as a pop culture meme.
President Obama started military action against Libya, following his belief in the concept of a “just war”, suggesting that Libya might be a useful example of morally motivated violence. This was somewhat informed by the fact that I personally support intervention in Libya on moral grounds, meaning that I see no gain for the US or myself, but rather would like to help those who are attempting to gain their freedom. Unfortunately, that requires violence. While I may see this as 'good', others likely see this as evil, and I do see the unfortunate parallel with violent actions anywhere, in that I could see a suicide bomber having a very similar thought process, even as they kill many innocent people in an act that I would term evil. The point of this research is to divorce normative judgments about which kinds of violence are good or evil from the more general psychological process, and simply to show that at least in this case, violence is often morally motivated, rather than being indicative of a person who is amoral.
As such, I conducted an experiment where participants were randomly assigned to answer questions about Libyan military intervention in terms of what is morally right or what is in the national interest. For example, one question read "Considering what is (morally right/in the US national interest), I support the recent American intervention in Libya."
Results are shown in the graph below, broken down by ideological group, and indicated that many individuals are indeed more supportive of intervention when framed in terms of what is morally right. Liberals (p<.05) exhibited significantly greater support for Libyan intervention, framed in moral terms. Conservatives exhibited a marginally significant effect (p=.06), though the magnitude of the difference is greater, so I likely just need to survey more conservative participants, who are a minority in this sample. Consistent with our research on libertarian morality, whereby libertarians are not moved by the typical moral concerns of liberals and conservatives, libertarians were unaffected by moral framing. Interestingly, moderates were also unmoved by moral framing.
This is one specific case and one specific study on a very specific sample, so there are certainly limitations in the conclusions one can make, as with most any social science research. However, this does suggest that for many people, the case of Libya is a concrete example of morally motivated violence. I'm hopeful that thinking about violence and war as morally motivated, divorced from whether you think the ends are good or evil, will be a useful paradigm for reducing violence and conflict more generally. Perhaps violence will actually be reduced if people become less moral and instead more tolerant of other people's views and actions.
- Ravi Iyer
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April 17th, 2012 - 09:24
Ravi,
I think you are missing one very key element in your analysis.
It is true that Libertarians do not support violence. You left out one crucial point. Libertarians also understand the after effects of war.
It has been clearly pointed out that those in Libya who overthrew that government with Western support are not pro-liberty people. It is fairly clear that Libya is worse off now than it was before our attacks. This is no means defending Gaddafi.
Is Gaddafi worse than the King of Saudi Arabia? No. Can we support some of the actions that Israel has done with the Palestinians? (Not suggesting that Palestinians are innocent either)
Should we invade Syria over the problems in that country when our own President signed into law giving him the moral authority to do the same things we are criticizing the Syria leader over?
There is also the fact of something called, “Blowback.” It can be argued that one of the main reasons why Iran is a thorn in the side of the West is because the British MI-6 and the US’s CIA overthrew their democratically elected government back in 1953
As the cliche says, “the road to hell is paved in good intentions.”
Politically and morality speaking, I think libertarians have a far better understanding of this.
October 21st, 2012 - 13:23
In psychology, especially in clinical psychology, there is a general concept of being able to understand “you can’t change (and/or control) other people(’s minds), you can only change how you respond to things.” About maximizing how best to respond to the external. Same thing for internal–being able to recognize that your own instincts/physiological processes (involuntary ones) are just that–NOT voluntary. How you respond to them and to what extent you let them manage your behaviors and mental/emotional states is entirely in your control, when you’ve mastered this.
If we all were able to universalize the idea that they can’t control others– and also that they need to be able to accurately be aware of their own instinctual/automatic responses before doing any other sort of reasoning or justifying of their actions –the only way to rationalize doing it in groups (e.g. military; political org.’s), is the addition of brute force/coercion (whether that’s physical, or more of a mental thing–it’s “telling” people what to do or what to believe to get them to conform to your “reasoning” processes.) Cognitive dissonance is very useful if you know how to use it.